"Police State"

knews4u2chew · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 361

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/ellsberg.php?articleid=11674

'A Coup Has Occurred'
by Daniel Ellsberg

Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked the
secret Pentagon Papers history of the Vietnam War, offered insights
into the looming war with Iran and the loss of liberty in the United
States at an American University symposium on Sept. 20.

Below is an edited transcript of Ellsberg's remarkable speech:

The Next Coup

Let me simplify this and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has
occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep, that
a coup has occurred. It's not just a question that a coup lies ahead
with the next 9/11. That's the next coup, that completes the first.

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knews4u2chew · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 361

On Sep 27, 8:15 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.antiwar.com/orig/ellsberg.php?articleid=11674
>
> 'A Coup Has Occurred'
> by Daniel Ellsberg
>
> Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked the
> secret Pentagon Papers history of the Vietnam War, offered insights
> into the looming war with Iran and the loss of liberty in the United
> States at an American University symposium on Sept. 20.
>
> Below is an edited transcript of Ellsberg's remarkable speech:
>
>
>
> The Next Coup
>
> Let me simplify this and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has
> occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep, that
> a coup has occurred. It's not just a question that a coup lies ahead
> with the next 9/11. That's the next coup, that completes the first.

America's Police Brutality
Now Pandemic
By Paul Craig Roberts
9-28-7

Bush's "war on terror" quickly became Bush's war on Iraqi civilians.
So far over one million Iraqi civilians have lost their lives because
of Bush's invasion, and four million have been displaced. Iraq's
infrastructure is in ruins. Disease is rampant. Normal life has
disappeared.

Self-righteous Americans justify these monstrous crimes as necessary
to ensure their own safety from terrorist attack. Yet, Americans are
in far greater danger from their own police forces than they are from
foreign terrorists. Ironically, Bush's "war on terror" has made
Americans less safe at home by diminishing US civil liberties and
turning an epidemic of US police brutality into a pandemic.

The only terrorist most Americans will ever encounter is a policeman
with a badge, nightstick, mace and Taser. A Google search for "police
brutality video" turns up 2,210,000 entries. Some entries are foreign
and some are probably duplications, but the number is so large that a
person could do nothing but watch police brutality videos for the rest
of his life. A search on "You Tube" alone turned up 2,280 police
brutality videos. PrisonPlanet has a selection of the most outrageous
recent cases.

Police brutality has crossed the line from using excessive force
against a resisting Rodney King to unprovoked gratuitous violence
against persons offering no resistance, such as the elderly, women,
students, and elected officials. Americans are not safe anywhere from
police. Police attack Americans in university libraries, in public
meetings, and in their own homes

Last week we had the case of the University of Florida student who was
repeatedlt Tasered without cause for asking Senator Kerry some good
questions in the question and answer period following Kerry's speech.
Two days after the Florida student was gratuitously brutalized, Senate
Republicans defeated Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy's bill to restore
habeas corpus protection.

A UCLA student was Tasered by police without cause for studying in the
university library without having his student ID on his person.
Following police orders to leave, the student was walking toward the
door when police grabbed him and repeatedly Tasered him.

On September 19, 2007 a young woman was repeatedly Tasered without
cause by a large brutal cop in a parking lot outside a nightclub in
Warren, Ohio.

On September 14, 2007, Roseland, Indiana, city council member David
Snyder was ejected from a council meeting by dictatorial council
chairman Charlie Shields. Snyder had protested being limited to one
minute to speak. Police goon Jack Tiller escorted Snyder out, and as
Snyder exited the building, Tiller, following behind, pushed Snyder to
the ground and without cause began beating Snyder in the head with a
nightstick. Snyder was hospitalized.

Local TV news stations throughout the US offer an endless stream of
police brutality videos, which are then posted on the stations' web
sites, often with an opportunity for citizens to express their opinion
of the incidents.

There are many disturbing aspects to police brutality cases.

One disturbing aspect is that the police always arrest the people that
they have gratuitously brutalized. There was no justification
whatsoever to arrest Councilman Snyder, or the UCLA student, or the
University of Florida student. The cops committed assault against
innocent citizens. The cops should have been arrested for their
criminal acts. Instead, the cops cover up their own crimes by
arresting their victims on false charges that are invented to justify
the unprovoked police violence against citizens.

Another disturbing aspect is that no one tells the police to stop the
brutality. "Free" Americans are so intimidated by police that on
February 19 of this year male customers in a Chicago bar stood aside
while a drunk cop weighing 251 pounds beat a 115-pound barmaid,
knocking her to the floor with his fists and repeatedly kicking her,
for obeying the bar rules and not serving him more drinks.

Yet another disturbing aspect is that a minority of citizens will
justify each act of police brutality no matter how brutal and how
unprovoked. For example, WNDU.com's poll of its viewers found that
64.2 percent agreed that Snyder was a victim of police brutality, but
27.8 percent thought that Snyder got what was coming to him. "Law and
order conservatives" and other authoritarian personalities invariably
defend acts of police brutality. Perhaps the police brutality pandemic
will bring the day when we will be able to say that a civil
libertarian is a law and order conservative who has been brutalized by
police.

The most disturbing aspect is that the police usually get away with
it.

I remember decades ago when civil libertarians in New York City tried
to stop police brutality by establishing civilian review boards to
introduce some accountability into the police's interaction with
civilians. Law and order conservatives at William F. Buckley's
National Review went berserk. Accountability was "second-guessing" the
police. The result would be a crime wave. And so on.

Police forces have always attracted bullies with authoritative
personalities who desire to beat senseless anyone who does not quake
in their presence. In the past, police could get away with brutalizing
blacks but not whites. Today white citizens are as likely as racial
minorities to be victims of police brutality.

The police are supreme. The militarization of the police, armed now
with military weapons and trained to view the general public as the
enemy, against whom "pain compliance" must be used, has placed every
American at risk of personal injury and false arrest from our "public
protectors."

In "free and democratic America," citizens are in such great danger
from police that there are websites devoted to police brutality with
online forms to report the brutality.

Nine years ago Human Rights Watch published a report entitled,
"Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the
United States." The report stated:

"Police abuse remains one of the most serious and divisive human
rights violations in the United States. The excessive use of force by
police officers, including unjustified shootings, severe beatings,
fatal chokings, and rough treatment, persists because overwhelming
barriers to accountability make it possible for officers who commit
human rights violations to escape due punishment and often to repeat
their offenses. Police or public officials greet each new report of
brutality with denials or explain that the act was an aberration,
while the administrative and criminal systems that should deter these
abuses by holding officers accountable instead virtually guarantee
them impunity.

"This report examines common obstacles to accountability for police
abuse in fourteen large cities representing most regions of the
nation. The cities examined are: Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit,
Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New Orleans, New York,
Philadelphia, Portland, Providence, San Francisco, and Washington,
D.C. Research for this report was conducted over two and a half years,
from late 1995 through early 1998.

"The brutality cases examined, which are set out in detail in chapters
on each city, are similar to cases that continue to emerge in
headlines and in survivors' complaints. It is important to note,
however, that because it is difficult to obtain case information
except where there is public scandal and/or prosecution, this report
relies heavily on cases that have reached public attention;
disciplinary action and criminal prosecution are even less common than
the cases set out below would suggest."

There is no way to hold police accountable when the president and vice
president of the United States, the attorney general, and the
Republican Party maintain that the civil liberties and the separation
of powers mandated by the US Constitution must be abandoned in order
that the executive branch can keep Americans safe from terrorists.

Even before the "war on terror," federal police murdered 100 people in
the Branch Davidian compound at Waco, and no one was held accountable.

Who is a terrorist? If the police and the US government have the
mentality of airport security, they cannot tell a terrorist from an 86-
year old Marine general on his way to give a speech at West Point.
Retired Marine Corps General Joseph J. Foss was delayed and nearly had
his Medal of Honor confiscated. Airport security regarded the pin on
the medal as a weapon that the 86-year old Marine general and former
governor of South Dakota could use to hijack an airliner and commit a
terrorist deed.

In America today, every citizen is a potential terrorist in the eyes
of the authorities. Airport security makes this clear every minute of
every day, as do the FBI and NSA with warrantless spying on our
emails, postal mail, telephone calls, and every possible invasion of
our privacy. We are all recipients of abuse of our constitutional
rights whether or not we suffer beatings, Taserings, and false
arrests.

The law makes it impossible for Americans to defend themselves from
police brutality. Law and order conservatives have made it a felony
with a long prison sentence to "assault a police officer." Assaulting
a police officer means that if a police thug intends to beat your
brains out with his nightstick and you disarm your assailant, you have
"assaulted a police officer." If you are not shot on the spot by his
backup, you will be convicted by a "law and order" jury and sent to
prison.

No matter how gratuitous and violent the police brutality, a "free"
American citizen can defend himself only at the expense, if not of his
life, of a long stay in prison. Osama bin Laden must wish that he had
such power over Americans.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the
Reagan Administration.

knews4u2chew · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 361

On Sep 27, 8:15 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.antiwar.com/orig/ellsberg.php?articleid=11674
>
> 'A Coup Has Occurred'
> by Daniel Ellsberg
>
> Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked the
> secret Pentagon Papers history of the Vietnam War, offered insights
> into the looming war with Iran and the loss of liberty in the United
> States at an American University symposium on Sept. 20.
>
> Below is an edited transcript of Ellsberg's remarkable speech:
>
>
>
> The Next Coup
>
> Let me simplify this and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has
> occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep, that
> a coup has occurred. It's not just a question that a coup lies ahead
> with the next 9/11. That's the next coup, that completes the first.

And here's a fair fight...
http://www.infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm

Don't drop your cake.

BradGuth · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 24

On Sep 28, 8:11 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sep 27, 8:15 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> >http://www.antiwar.com/orig/ellsberg.php?articleid=11674
>
> > 'A Coup Has Occurred'
> > by Daniel Ellsberg
>
> > Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked the
> > secret Pentagon Papers history of the Vietnam War, offered insights
> > into the looming war with Iran and the loss of liberty in the United
> > States at an American University symposium on Sept. 20.
>
> > Below is an edited transcript of Ellsberg's remarkable speech:
>
> >
>
> > The Next Coup
>
> > Let me simplify this and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has
> > occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep, that
> > a coup has occurred. It's not just a question that a coup lies ahead
> > with the next 9/11. That's the next coup, that completes the first.
>
> And here's a fair fight...http://www.infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm
>
> Don't drop your cake.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

I've got loads of better stuff. Far better.
- Brad Guth -

knews4u2chew · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 361

On Sep 28, 10:46 pm, BradGuth wrote:
> On Sep 28, 8:11 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > On Sep 27, 8:15 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > >http://www.antiwar.com/orig/ellsberg.php?articleid=11674
>
> > > 'A Coup Has Occurred'
> > > by Daniel Ellsberg
>
> > > Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked the
> > > secret Pentagon Papers history of the Vietnam War, offered insights
> > > into the looming war with Iran and the loss of liberty in the United
> > > States at an American University symposium on Sept. 20.
>
> > > Below is an edited transcript of Ellsberg's remarkable speech:
>
> > >
>
> > > The Next Coup
>
> > > Let me simplify this and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has
> > > occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep, that
> > > a coup has occurred. It's not just a question that a coup lies ahead
> > > with the next 9/11. That's the next coup, that completes the first.
>
> > And here's a fair fight...http://www.infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm
>
> > Don't drop your cake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I've got loads of better stuff. Far better.
> - Brad Guth -- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Oh?
You work for the Chicago PD?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070930/ap_on_re_us/police_scandals_1

BradGuth · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 24

On Sep 30, 12:44 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sep 28, 10:46 pm, BradGuth wrote:
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> > On Sep 28, 8:11 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > > On Sep 27, 8:15 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.antiwar.com/orig/ellsberg.php?articleid=11674
>
> > > > 'A Coup Has Occurred'
> > > > by Daniel Ellsberg
>
> > > > Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked the
> > > > secret Pentagon Papers history of the Vietnam War, offered insights
> > > > into the looming war with Iran and the loss of liberty in the United
> > > > States at an American University symposium on Sept. 20.
>
> > > > Below is an edited transcript of Ellsberg's remarkable speech:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > The Next Coup
>
> > > > Let me simplify this and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has
> > > > occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep, that
> > > > a coup has occurred. It's not just a question that a coup lies ahead
> > > > with the next 9/11. That's the next coup, that completes the first.
>
> > > And here's a fair fight...http://www.infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm
>
> > > Don't drop your cake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > I've got loads of better stuff. Far better.
> > - BradGuth-- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Oh?
> You work for the Chicago PD?http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070930/ap_on_re_us/police_scandals_1

Not saying that my stuff is better off at being nastier than yours,
but combined we more than prove that federal, state and local
government along with their faith-based puppeteers hasn't always been
perfectly honest, still isn't telling us the whole truth and has no
intentions of their ever doing so.

Why do you think the likes of our 'Skull and Bones' cult even exist?
(it's certainly not on behalf of sharing truths)
- Brad Guth -

knews4u2chew · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 361

On Oct 1, 8:04 am, BradGuth wrote:
> On Sep 30, 12:44 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > On Sep 28, 10:46 pm, BradGuth wrote:
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> > > On Sep 28, 8:11 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > > > On Sep 27, 8:15 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > >http://www.antiwar.com/orig/ellsberg.php?articleid=11674
>
> > > > > 'A Coup Has Occurred'
> > > > > by Daniel Ellsberg
>
> > > > > Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked the
> > > > > secret Pentagon Papers history of the Vietnam War, offered insights
> > > > > into the looming war with Iran and the loss of liberty in the United
> > > > > States at an American University symposium on Sept. 20.
>
> > > > > Below is an edited transcript of Ellsberg's remarkable speech:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > The Next Coup
>
> > > > > Let me simplify this and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has
> > > > > occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep, that
> > > > > a coup has occurred. It's not just a question that a coup lies ahead
> > > > > with the next 9/11. That's the next coup, that completes the first.
>
> > > > And here's a fair fight...http://www.infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm
>
> > > > Don't drop your cake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I've got loads of better stuff. Far better.
> > > - BradGuth-- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Oh?
> > You work for the Chicago PD?http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070930/ap_on_re_us/police_scandals_1
>
> Not saying that my stuff is better off at being nastier than yours,
> but combined we more than prove that federal, state and local
> government along with their faith-based puppeteers hasn't always been
> perfectly honest, still isn't telling us the whole truth and has no
> intentions of their ever doing so.
>
> Why do you think the likes of our 'Skull and Bones' cult even exist?

Oh that's just an innocent little "college boys club."

> (it's certainly not on behalf of sharing truths)
> - Brad Guth --

So here's a rundown of the latest police "incidents."
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/210907_b_brutality.htm

knews4u2chew · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 361

Wake up now or the fat lady is going to sing...

http://rense.com/general78/five.htm

What will happen if the date of the attacks upon Iran just happen to
coincide exactly, with Operation Vigilant Shield? If we begin the
bombing raids and Iran retaliates: Then the cowards in their bunkers
in DC and elsewhere will then declare that America has secret terror
cells here in the USA, that must be found and disarmed-and fortunately
'we just happen to have the troops and police in position to do just
that'! And since the nation would by then, for all intents and
purposes already be under Martial Law, because all of the facility to
do this has already been entered into the record, in a number of
presidential Executive Orders especially written for this occasion:
What could the nation do to prevent any of this from actually
happening?

If we wait patiently until October 15 to find out if this is "real;"
instead of just an exercise then the answer is obviously "Nothing"!
But if we probe into the planning and the execution as well as into
what will be sought during Operation Vigilant Shield-before October
15th, then maybe something of substance could be able to deter
whatever might be coming.

This potential attack upon Iran is far more than just another phase of
our ongoing wars upon the Muslim world. This is pivotal and virtually
impossible to predict: which is exactly why it should never have even
been considered in the first place. Iran has an army that's three
times the size of the one we're still fighting in Iraq. Iran is not a
lonely impoverished nation without resources or international
alliances. But most of all to begin such a blatant and unwarranted
attack upon so pivotal a nation-now-when we are losing whatever
remains of any credibility in our unilateral and illegal war upon
Iraq; would seem to an act of military and economic suicide. Yet no
one inside the Cheney-Bush Cabal seems to have even the most remote
idea of when or how to use military force: never mind the absolute
need to consider all the ramifications before unleashing our
Frankenstein version of Blitzkrieg on yet another nation that stands
between us and what we are determined to steal for some overly corrupt
corporations.

These people that believe they are "in-charge," actually know nothing
at all about military force, military tactics or the dangers of the
misuse of these very expensive weapons. That's how we managed to run
up the price tag in Iraq and Afghanistan to over a Trillion dollars,
and still managed to lose all the key aspects of this massive military
failure. The numbers in Vietnam and Iraq are almost parallel now,
especially given the reality that we've been virtually at war since
1991: Thanks to the No-Fly-Zones that operated 24-7 almost up to the
day we announced Shock & Awe over Baghdad.

knews4u2chew · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 361

So we have 3 vdeos of one (DECEASED) woman "I'm not a terrorist" at
the airport but still not ONE VIDEO of 19 alleged HIGHJACKERS.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/04/airport.death/index.html

Myal · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> So we have 3 vdeos of one (DECEASED) woman "I'm not a terrorist" at
> the airport but still not ONE VIDEO of 19 alleged HIGHJACKERS.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/04/airport.death/index.html
>

video wasnt needed , the authorities knew exactly who they were within
hours of the towers debacle , .. the fastest ever tracking down of a
terrorist mob EVER .. and the tracking of binladen is the slowest ever

knews4u2chew · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 361

On Oct 5, 6:08 pm, Myal wrote:
> knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > So we have 3 vdeos of one (DECEASED) woman "I'm not a terrorist" at
> > the airport but still not ONE VIDEO of 19 alleged HIGHJACKERS.
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/04/airport.death/index.html
>
> video wasnt needed , the authorities knew exactly who they were within
> hours of the towers debacle , .. the fastest ever tracking down of a
> terrorist mob EVER .. and the tracking of binladen is the slowest ever

So they "knew" who they were without any evidence that they were
actually on the planes.
No names on the manifest either.
Great "police work."

Myal · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 18

knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 5, 6:08 pm, Myal wrote:
>> knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> So we have 3 vdeos of one (DECEASED) woman "I'm not a terrorist" at
>>> the airport but still not ONE VIDEO of 19 alleged HIGHJACKERS.
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/04/airport.death/index.html
>> video wasnt needed , the authorities knew exactly who they were within
>> hours of the towers debacle , .. the fastest ever tracking down of a
>> terrorist mob EVER .. and the tracking of binladen is the slowest ever
>
> So they "knew" who they were without any evidence that they were
> actually on the planes.
> No names on the manifest either.
> Great "police work."
>

hey , dont knock it , planes flying into towers and hitting them way off
center bring them towers down neater than if it was a controlled demolition

weird things happen

Paul Maffia · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 272

wrote in message @y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 5, 6:08 pm, Myal wrote:
>> knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > So we have 3 vdeos of one (DECEASED) woman "I'm not a terrorist" at
>> > the airport but still not ONE VIDEO of 19 alleged HIGHJACKERS.
>>
>> >http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/04/airport.death/index.html
>>
>> video wasnt needed , the authorities knew exactly who they were within
>> hours of the towers debacle , .. the fastest ever tracking down of a
>> terrorist mob EVER .. and the tracking of binladen is the slowest ever
>
> So they "knew" who they were without any evidence that they were
> actually on the planes.
> No names on the manifest either.
> Great "police work."

It is amazing. When I think you cannot come up with anything dumber than you
already have, you do come up with something dumber.

YOU ARE THE VILLAGE IDIOT OF MORON TOWN!!! In fact, you have now reached the
status of being a parody of yourself.

knews4u2chew · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 361

On Oct 6, 1:27 pm, "Paul Maffia" wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> @y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 5, 6:08 pm, Myal wrote:
> >> knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > So we have 3 vdeos of one (DECEASED) woman "I'm not a terrorist" at
> >> > the airport but still not ONE VIDEO of 19 alleged HIGHJACKERS.
>
> >> >http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/04/airport.death/index.html
>
> >> video wasnt needed , the authorities knew exactly who they were within
> >> hours of the towers debacle , .. the fastest ever tracking down of a
> >> terrorist mob EVER .. and the tracking of binladen is the slowest ever
>
> > So they "knew" who they were without any evidence that they were
> > actually on the planes.
> > No names on the manifest either.
> > Great "police work."
>

And more great "Police" work by the authorities leaves a woman dead.
http://rense.com/general78/carol.htm

conspiracy · Joined: 07 Oct 2007 Posts: 1

On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:08:43 -0700, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Oct 5, 6:08 pm, Myal wrote:
>> knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > So we have 3 vdeos of one (DECEASED) woman "I'm not a terrorist" at
>> > the airport but still not ONE VIDEO of 19 alleged HIGHJACKERS.
>>
>> >http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/04/airport.death/index.html
>>
>> video wasnt needed , the authorities knew exactly who they were within
>> hours of the towers debacle , .. the fastest ever tracking down of a
>> terrorist mob EVER .. and the tracking of binladen is the slowest ever
>
>So they "knew" who they were without any evidence that they were
>actually on the planes.
>No names on the manifest either.

The names were on the passenger manifests. Only conspiracy idiots
like you think that they weren't.

http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_11_manifest.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20010914190717/http://www.boston.com/news/daily/13/victims_list.htm

Or you can try:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html
Exhibits:
P200018
P200054
P200055

All nice and attested to in a court of law.