US abrogated gold provision of Constitution

Nossy · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 110

http://www.nomoredebt.cc/hjr192.html

http://www.kamron.com/economics/economics.htm

http://trbooth.googlepages.com/the%22unitedstates%22isnotacountry

http://trbooth.googlepages.com/jamestraficantspeaksabouttheentirepictur

We are classified as commercial entities (strawmen) under the
corporate US and CEO the President . The US has been under bankruptcy
and insolvency since 1933. Currency is not money but a money
substitute. A Federal Reserve Note is NOT money, it is evidence of a
debt! Unsigned checks on a closed account.

No debts are discharged, which can only be done through value or
substance but not a currency without backing or substance.

The Federal Reserve Bank is a maritime lender under admiralty in
Commerce.

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P. Maffia · Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 117

Nossy, comes up with more moronic gibberish. He reads the same comic books
that Knews4u does. Proving, once again, the wisdom of the old saying, "Birds
of a feather ... ." Both he and Knews go where all the ignorant kooks go for
their info.

"Nossy" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> http://www.nomoredebt.cc/hjr192.html
>
> http://www.kamron.com/economics/economics.htm
>
> http://trbooth.googlepages.com/the%22unitedstates%22isnotacountry
>
> http://trbooth.googlepages.com/jamestraficantspeaksabouttheentirepictur
>
> We are classified as commercial entities (strawmen) under the
> corporate US and CEO the President . The US has been under bankruptcy
> and insolvency since 1933. Currency is not money but a money
> substitute. A Federal Reserve Note is NOT money, it is evidence of a
> debt! Unsigned checks on a closed account.
>
> No debts are discharged, which can only be done through value or
> substance but not a currency without backing or substance.
>
> The Federal Reserve Bank is a maritime lender under admiralty in
> Commerce.
>

Nossy · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 110

So let's hear YOUR interpretation of the executive orders and the rest
of this?

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:40:18 -0800, "P. Maffia"
wrote:

>Nossy, comes up with more moronic gibberish. He reads the same comic books
>that Knews4u does. Proving, once again, the wisdom of the old saying, "Birds
>of a feather ... ." Both he and Knews go where all the ignorant kooks go for
>their info.
>
>"Nossy" wrote in message
>@4ax.com...
>> http://www.nomoredebt.cc/hjr192.html
>>
>> http://www.kamron.com/economics/economics.htm
>>
>> http://trbooth.googlepages.com/the%22unitedstates%22isnotacountry
>>
>> http://trbooth.googlepages.com/jamestraficantspeaksabouttheentirepictur
>>
>> We are classified as commercial entities (strawmen) under the
>> corporate US and CEO the President . The US has been under bankruptcy
>> and insolvency since 1933. Currency is not money but a money
>> substitute. A Federal Reserve Note is NOT money, it is evidence of a
>> debt! Unsigned checks on a closed account.
>>
>> No debts are discharged, which can only be done through value or
>> substance but not a currency without backing or substance.
>>
>> The Federal Reserve Bank is a maritime lender under admiralty in
>> Commerce.
>>

P. Maffia · Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 117

Nossy, you are just stupid.

"Nossy" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> So let's hear YOUR interpretation of the executive orders and the rest
> of this?
>
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:40:18 -0800, "P. Maffia"
> wrote:
>
>>Nossy, comes up with more moronic gibberish. He reads the same comic books
>>that Knews4u does. Proving, once again, the wisdom of the old saying,
>>"Birds
>>of a feather ... ." Both he and Knews go where all the ignorant kooks go
>>for
>>their info.
>>
>>"Nossy" wrote in message
>>@4ax.com...
>>> http://www.nomoredebt.cc/hjr192.html

Do you know the difference between a PUBLIC LAW PASSED BY BOTH HOUSES OF
CONGRESS IN A JOINT RESOLUTION, and signed by the President compared to an
Executive Order?

>>> http://www.kamron.com/economics/economics.htm
>>>
>>> http://trbooth.googlepages.com/the%22unitedstates%22isnotacountry

Belief that the Emergency Banking Act of 1933 dissolved the Country, only
demonstrates stupid you are.

>>> http://trbooth.googlepages.com/jamestraficantspeaksabouttheentirepictur
>>>
>>> We are classified as commercial entities (strawmen) under the
>>> corporate US and CEO the President . The US has been under bankruptcy
>>> and insolvency since 1933. Currency is not money but a money
>>> substitute. A Federal Reserve Note is NOT money, it is evidence of a
>>> debt! Unsigned checks on a closed account.
>>>
>>> No debts are discharged, which can only be done through value or
>>> substance but not a currency without backing or substance.
>>>
>>> The Federal Reserve Bank is a maritime lender under admiralty in
>>> Commerce.

This is the moronic gibberish that the madman in Canada, Eldon Warman,
concocts to argue his idiot ideas.

You are as mad as he is.

scott s. · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 122

Nossy wrote in @
4ax.com:
>
> The Federal Reserve Bank is a maritime lender under admiralty in
> Commerce.

I suppose they use the yellow-fringed flag too, right?

scott s.
..

Nossy · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 110

Why don't you guys just go study the issue instead of hurl insults!

And while you're at it, check this:

HJR-192

Nossy · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 110

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HJR-192+IRS

http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/articles4/law.htm

http://www.freedomdomain.com/redemption/notes2_2001.html

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=32559

P. Maffia · Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 117

"Nossy" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> Why don't you guys just go study the issue instead of hurl insults!
>
> And while you're at it, check this:
>
> HJR-192

What issue? You post moronic gibberish and expect someone to take you
seriously.

Nossy · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 110

Suffering from some kind of cognitive dissonance?
What do YOU say about HJR-192??

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:15:23 -0800, "P. Maffia"
wrote:

>"Nossy" wrote in message
>@4ax.com...
>> Why don't you guys just go study the issue instead of hurl insults!
>>
>> And while you're at it, check this:
>>
>> HJR-192
>
>What issue? You post moronic gibberish and expect someone to take you
>seriously.

P. Maffia · Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 117

The idiot comes back with another idiot question.

"Nossy" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> Suffering from some kind of cognitive dissonance?
> What do YOU say about HJR-192??

Talk about cognitive dissonance! You idiot, I already answered this one. HJR
192 did not put the US into bankruptcy under the control of Foreign
bankers.. Basically all it did was remove the gold coinage as Legal Tender
in the US.

It did not ban the ownership of gold, it did no even ban the ownership of
gold coins. It had the effect of rendering all gold coins in the US having
only numismatic value.

It did no confiscate gold coins or holdings. When you turned your gold coins
in, you received full value for it in legal tender. If you chose not to turn
in your gold coins, you had only something that was subject to the vagaries
of the numismatic market for their value.

So all your moronic conclusions as well as those of the comic books you read
are just that moronic conclusions arrived at by idiots who have no clue.

To address another of your idiocies, which we have corrected before, the act
was not unconstitutional. And, also contrary to your moronic beliefs, the US
Constitution has never required US money to be gold and/or silver.

But then you don't understand that there is a difference between the United
States and the individual states which make up the Union. Therefore, when
you try to read the Constitution, with your less than sterling mastery of
the English language, you stupidly think the Constitution is addressing the
United States when it is actually placing a restriction on the individual
states.

You are just a moronic ignoramus!

I know you are too stupid to understand, the US remained on a gold/silver
standard until the Nixon Administration.

Nossy · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 110

As a result of HJR-192 in 1933 under Roosevelt, the Federal Reserve
Notes are not currency, but a currency SUBSTITUTE, a statement of
debt. No debt can even actually be discharged by other debt. Currency
must be backed by value of substance, property. The FRN are merely
statements of debt obligations.

Paul Thomas, CPA · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 3094

"Nossy" wrote
> No debt can even actually be discharged by other debt.

Sure it can. Happens all the time.

> Currency must be backed by value of substance,

Says who.

> The FRN are merely statements of debt obligations.

And it's backed by the good faith of the people - I was going to say
"Americans", but people world wide place great faith in US currency. It's
that faith that backs the currency. BTW: that's the same method, faith,
that backs all currency from the beginning of time. It is what gives gold
it's value - faith. You *believe* you can exchange it for something of
value - and someone accepting that form of compensation *believes* they too
can exchange it for something of value......etc forever and ever........

"Currency must be backed by value of substance"........what backs the
substance? What give it the value? Faith. No more than the *belief* that
it can be exchanged for something of value in commerce.

--
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
----------------
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

P. Maffia · Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 117

Hey idiot!

Contrary to the gibberish you believe, the US remained on the gold/silver
standard until the Nixon administration. Silver certificates as well as
silver coins remained in circulation until then also.

The 1933 Act merely removed gold as legal tender in the United States.

You are a MORON!

"Nossy" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> As a result of HJR-192 in 1933 under Roosevelt, the Federal Reserve
> Notes are not currency, but a currency SUBSTITUTE, a statement of
> debt. No debt can even actually be discharged by other debt. Currency
> must be backed by value of substance, property. The FRN are merely
> statements of debt obligations.
>

Nossy · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 110

Hmm......If a legitimate currency (as opposed to legal tender) does
not have to be backed by a legitimate substance of value, then why
throughout history did countries connect their currencies to gold and
silver until the Big Boys started their machinations in 1913 right
through to 1933, and then 1971?!
The dollar is merely an IOU. In the old days it represented a claim on
an amount of actual substance of value (i.e. gold or silver). Today it
represents a claim on nothing. It is merely a statement of debt.
And that will shortly be going down the tubes since the trillions of
dollars of debt can never be repaid within the context of the dollar
as "currency."
Deutschmark here we come!!!!!

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:37:47 -0800, "P. Maffia"
wrote:

>Hey idiot!
>
>Contrary to the gibberish you believe, the US remained on the gold/silver
>standard until the Nixon administration. Silver certificates as well as
>silver coins remained in circulation until then also.
>
>The 1933 Act merely removed gold as legal tender in the United States.
>
>You are a MORON!
>
>"Nossy" wrote in message
>@4ax.com...
>> As a result of HJR-192 in 1933 under Roosevelt, the Federal Reserve
>> Notes are not currency, but a currency SUBSTITUTE, a statement of
>> debt. No debt can even actually be discharged by other debt. Currency
>> must be backed by value of substance, property. The FRN are merely
>> statements of debt obligations.
>>

Paul Thomas, CPA · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 3094

"Nossy" wrote
> Hmm......If a legitimate currency (as opposed to legal tender) does
> not have to be backed by a legitimate substance of value,

Salt was the legitimate currency used in acient Rome.

http://www.mii.org/Minerals/photosalt.html
>>>>In Roman society, salt was used as currency, and soldiers were paid in
>>>>salt. The Latin word sal is the root for the English word salary. Based
>>>>on this, we have the familiar phrase that a person is "worth their
>>>>salt", meaning worth the wages they receive.<<<

Then there are the Rai stones.....nothing more than a rock:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones
>>>>Rai stones are circular disks carved out of limestone with a large hole
>>>>in the middle. The size of the stones varies widely; the largest are 3
>>>>meters (10 ft) in diameter, 0.5 meters (1.5 ft) thick and weigh 4 metric
>>>>tons (8000 lb).
The extrinsic (perceived) value of a specific stone is based not only on its
size and craftsmanship but also on the history of the stone. If many
people - or no one at all - died when the specific stone was transported, or
a famous sailor brought it in, the value of the rai stone increases.

Rai stones were used in social transactions like marriages, inheritance,
political deals, sign of an alliance, ransom of the battle dead or just in
exchange for food. Many of them are placed in front of meetinghouses or
specific pathways. Though the ownership of a particular stone changes, the
stone itself is rarely moved. The names of previous owners are passed down
to the new one.<<<<

And currency (money) consisted of cattle and crops, cowrie shells, models of
tools (spades, hoes and knives), iron spits or elongated nails, etc and so
on. Coins have been made of many materials, some precious metals (gold,
silver and electrum) to base metals. The first "bill" of sorts was deer
skin (about 12" square).

http://www.projects.ex.ac.uk/RDavies/arian/amser/chrono1.html

--
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
----------------
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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