Hey Dale, you cut the feet out of your own argument AGAIN.

Richard Macdonald · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 1581

Dale, thank you for reminding me of the wording of the Official Treasury
interpretation of the statutes.

SECTION 1.861-1.
INCOME FROM SOURCES WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
(a) CATEGORIES OF INCOME. Part I (section 861 and following),
subchapter N, chapter 1 of the Code, and the regulations thereunder
determine the sources of income for purposes of the income tax. These
sections explicitly allocate certain important sources of income to the
United States or to areas outside the United States, as the case may
be; and, with respect to the remaining income (particularly that derived
partly from sources within and partly from sources without the United
States), authorize the Secretary or his delegate to determine the income
derived from sources within the United States, either by rules of separate
allocation or by processes or formulas of general apportionment. The
statute provides for the following three categories of income:
(1) WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. The gross income from sources
within the United States, consisting of the items of gross income specified
in section 861(a) plus the items of gross income allocated or apportioned
to such sources in accordance with section 863(a). See Sections 1.861-2
to 1.861-7, inclusive, and Section 1.863-1.

[Notice which regulations determine Gross Income from Sources:
1.861.2 to 1.861-7, and 1.863-1, NO 1.861-8 here]

The taxable income from sources within the United States, in the case of
such income, shall be determined by deducting therefrom, in accordance
with sections 861(b) and 863(a), the expenses, losses, and other
deductions properly apportioned or allocated thereto and a ratable part
of any other expenses, losses, or deductions which cannot definitely be
allocated to some item or class of gross income. See Sections 1.861-8
and 1.863-1.

[Note 1.861-8 if for computing Taxable Income, but not for
determining Gross Income from Sources within the United States,
as per the Treasury's Official Interpretation of the statutes.]

So is it not a clear violation of 26 CFR 1.861-1(a)(1) to assume that
26 CFR 1.861-8 is used to determine what is or is not Gross Income?
Yes or No.?
--
Richard A Macdonald, CPA/EA
Dedicated student of Fr Luca Paccioli, Master Juggler.
Gib mir schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!!

Archived from group: misc>taxes

Dale Eastman · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 4469

Richard Macdonald wrote:

> Dale, thank you for reminding me of the wording of the Official
> Treasury interpretation of the statutes.

You're welcome. Let's dance.

I am first going to separate all the sentences for visual clarity and
remove the marks showing that I have quoted you in the reply. Again
this is for clarity, while thinking ahead to how the post looks with 8
generations of replies. I am also going to tab the legal quotes over
to help differentiate between quotes of rules and quotes of your post.

And before I begin, I am going show this image of which you have
already agreed, "It is a reality".
http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalereastman/861/source/i1.GIF

"INCOME" derives from a source. No source, No income. That is reality
also. If the source shown in the far right of the image does not
exist, Then Nothing can exist to the right of the word SOURCE. You can
not deny this. No source, no issue from that non-existant source.

I'm not asking if you agree, because you have no choice.

Just as the nonresponse, (or in senter's case, the insane response) to
the question, Does this look like a source of water for purposes of
water to wash dishes?
http://www.dyersonline.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000004/88-1111Main.jpg
For those that can't be bothered to click the link, what is shown is
an uninstalled kitchen sink, without any faucet in the image. It is
quite obvious that this sink is NOT a source of water. No source of
water, no water.

Therefore, SOURCES MATTER. So, if there is no SOURCE of INCOME, there
is no INCOME. If there is no INCOME, then NOTHING can happen to the
right of the nonexistant SOURCE.
http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalereastman/861/source/i1.GIF

Next we come to the concept of "for purposes of". If some item is not
an item "for purposes of" something, then that item is not used "for
purposes of". A sledge hammer is not a tool "for purposes of" paring
any fruit. If we have two paring knives. Knife A is new, just out of
the box. Knife B is old, bent, broken. Knife B is not a paring knife
"for purposes of" paring any fruit. Knife A IS a knife "for purposes
of" paring a fruit.

In the above example, though both knives are indeed 'paring knives'
only on of the two is functional, only one of the two is a knife "for
purposes of" paring fruit. In the above case, it is a physical
constraint, the battered and broken knife B itself, the eliminates
knife B "for purposes of" paring fruit. The determination of what is,
and what is not, an item "for purposes of" something, can be based
upon any differences between an Item A and an Item B "for purposes of"
something. The example of paring knives "for purposes of" paring fruit
follows.

If we have two paring knives, paring knife A is totally made of metal,
and paring knife B is made entirely of plastic except for a thin
stripe of sharpened blade. We can then rule, that only paring knives
without plastic parts are paring knives "for purposes of" paring fruit
in this household. Knife A is made completely of metal, and thus IS a
paring knife "for purposes of" paring fruit. (in this household).
Knife B however, is made with plastic parts, and thus is NOT a paring
knife "for purposes of" paring fruit.

Both are paring knives. One is used "for purposes of" and one is NOT
used "for purposes of". With these concepts in mind, I now look toward
the first part of the cited reg.

SECTION 1.861-1. INCOME FROM SOURCES WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
(a)CATEGORIES OF INCOME. Part I (section 861 and
following), subchapter N, chapter 1 of the Code, and
the regulations thereunder determine the SOURCES of
income for purposes of the income tax.

(a)CATEGORIES OF Knives. Part I (section 861 and following),
subchapter N, chapter 1 of the Code, and the regulations thereunder
determine the knives of paring "for purposes of" paring fruit.

The meaning of the first sentence of 1.861-1 is simple, clear, and to
the point. It tells the reader WHERE to look to find instructions on
WHICH SOURCES are SOURCES "FOR PURPOSES OF" the income tax. And it
very plainly says that the instructions are to be found in sections
861 through 865 inclusive, and regulations 1.861-1 through 1.865-2
inclusive. Though the places to look is fairly broad, It does
encompass the regulations that give us considerably more specificity
on determining "the SOURCES of income for purposes of the income tax.

SECTION 1.861-1. INCOME FROM SOURCES WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
(a)CATEGORIES OF INCOME. Part I (section 861 and
following), subchapter N, chapter 1 of the Code, and
the regulations thereunder determine the SOURCES of
income for purposes of the income tax.

In speaking of the regulations thereunder, which includes the very
regulation "speaking", namely 1.861-1, it does include itself as one
of the places that gives instruction on WHICH SOURCES are SOURCES "FOR
PURPOSES OF" the income tax.

These sections explicitly allocate certain important
sources of income to the United States or to areas
outside the United States, as the case may be; and,
with respect to the remaining income (particularly
that derived partly from sources within and partly
from sources without the United States), authorize
the Secretary or his delegate to determine the income
derived from sources within the United States, either
by rules of separate allocation or by processes or
formulas of general apportionment.

These sections explicitly allocate certain important sources
of income to the United States or to areas outside the United
States, as the case may be;

These sections explicitly ALLOCATE. It says NOTHING about WHEN these
"important SOURCES of income" are or are NOT used "FOR PURPOSES OF"
the income tax.

and, with respect to the remaining income... authorize... to
determine the income derived from sources within the United
States,

These sections allow the Secretary to apportion "important SOURCES of
income". This ALSO says NOTHING about when these sources of income
are, or are NOT used "FOR PURPOSES OF" the income tax.

The statute provides for the following three
categories of income:
(1) WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
The gross income from sources within the United
States, consisting of the items of gross income
specified in section 861(a) plus the items of gross
income allocated or apportioned to such sources in
accordance with section 863(a).

See Sections 1.861-2 to 1.861-7, inclusive, and
Section 1.863-1.

> [Notice which regulations determine Gross Income from Sources:
> 1.861.2 to 1.861-7, and 1.863-1, NO 1.861-8 here]

Notice that 1.863-1 states:
1.863-1(c) Determination of taxable income. The taxpayer's
taxable income from sources within or without the United
States will be determined under the rules of Secs. 1.861-8
through 1.861-14T for determining taxable income from sources
within the United States.

Notice that 1.863-1 points us back to 1.861-8. The wording is very
clear, that 1.861-8 is to be used in determining taxable income.

Continuing with 1.861-1(a)(1):
The taxable income from sources within the United
States, in the case of such income, shall be
determined by deducting therefrom, in accordance with
sections 861(b) and 863(a), the expenses, losses, and
other deductions properly apportioned or allocated
thereto and a ratable part of any other expenses,
losses, or deductions which cannot definitely be
allocated to some item or class of gross income.

The taxable income from sources within the United States, in
the case of such income,

Uh, yeah. In the case of such income.

There has still not been anything that tells us WHEN and UNDER WHAT
CONDITIONS the sources deemed to be from within the US are, or are NOT
"SOURCES OF INCOME" "FOR PURPOSES OF" the income tax. It then goes on
to say, just as generally as USC 63 that TAXABLE INCOME = GROSS INCOME
- allowed DEDUCTIONS.

See Sections 1.861-8 and 1.863-1.

Yep. See section 1.861-8. And see section 1.863-1, which, as shown
above also sends us to section 1.861-8

And just to prove that theme of 1.861-8 is not a fluke, I'm adding the
part of 1.861-1(a) that you didn't in this post.

(2) Without the United States. The gross income from sources
without the United States, consisting of the items of gross
income specified in section 862(a) plus the items of gross
income allocated or apportioned to such sources in accordance
with section 863(a).

Gross income from sources... consisting of items of G.I. from
sources... Nothing here says WHEN and UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS the
sources deemed to be from without the US are, or are NOT "SOURCES OF
INCOME" "FOR PURPOSES OF" the income tax. It then goes on to say, just
a generally as USC 63 that TAXABLE INCOME = GROSS INCOME - allowed
DEDUCTIONS.

See Secs. 1.862-1 and 1.863-1.

Section 1.863-1 was shown to point to 1.861-8 above. And so does 1.862-1.

1.862-1 states:
1.862-1(b) Taxable income. The taxable income from sources
without the United States, in the case of the items of gross
income specified in paragraph (a) of this section, shall be
determined on the same basis as that used in Sec. 1.861-8 for
determining the taxable income from sources within the United
States.

Continuing with 1.861-1(a)(2):
The taxable income from sources without the United States, in
the case of such income, shall be determined by deducting
therefrom, in accordance with sections 862(b) and 863(a), the
expenses, losses, and other deductions properly apportioned
or allocated thereto and a ratable part of any other
expenses, losses, or deductions which cannot definitely be
allocated to some item or class of gross income.

See Secs. 1.862-1 and 1.863-1.

Just as 1.861-1(a)(1) directs us to regulations that then direct us to
1.861-8, so to does this one.

> [Notice which regulations determine Gross Income from Sources:
> 1.861.2 to 1.861-7, and 1.863-1, NO 1.861-8 here]

I brought down your very words from above, to nail down the slippery,
slimy usage of those words.

"determine gross income from sources".
Those are your words, yes. post. Those ARE your words>

And those words are the ones you posted in comment about this
regulation, yes.

The statute provides for the following three
categories of income:
(1) WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
The gross income from sources within the United
States, consisting of the items of gross income
specified in section 861(a)

You: "determine gross income from sources"
Regulation: "provides categories of income:"

You: "determine gross income from sources"
Regulation: "provides categories of income:"

You: "determine gross income from sources"
Regulation: "provides categories of income:"

Uh, Sorry Richard, that isn't going to fly.

"gross income from sources" Which SOURCES? Which SPECIFIC SOURCES (and
activities), When, and under WHAT conditions. Nothing here says WHEN
and UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS the sources deemed to be from within the US,
without the US, or both, or are NOT "SOURCES OF INCOME" "FOR PURPOSES
OF" the income tax.

> [Note 1.861-8 i[s] for computing Taxable Income, but not for
> determining Gross Income from Sources within the United States, as
> per the Treasury's Official Interpretation of the statutes.]

That statement is perfectly correct. And also meaningless for
supporting your position. The reason it is meaningless, is because of
the very words of 1.861-8, which I have covered here:
http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalereastman/861/source/source.html

CFR 1.861-8(a) In general--(1) Scope.
The rules contained in this section apply in determining
taxable income of the taxpayer from specific sources and
activities under other sections of the Code, referred to in
this section as operative sections.
See paragraph (f)(1) of this section for a list and
description of operative sections.
http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalereastman/861/source/i7.GIF

CFR 1.861-8(a)(4) For purposes of this section, the term
``statutory grouping of gross income'' or ``statutory
grouping'' means the gross income from a specific source or
activity which must first be determined in order to arrive at
``taxable income'' from which [that] specific source or
activity under an operative section.
(See paragraph (f)(1) of this section.)
http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalereastman/861/source/i8.GIF

> So is it not a clear violation of 26 CFR 1.861-1(a)(1) to assume
> that 26 CFR 1.861-8 is used to determine what is or is not Gross
> Income? Yes or No.?

What assumption. 1.861-8 is written in english. And I've added
pictures to help you with the comprehension.

http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalereastman/861/source/i9.GIF
http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalereastman/861/source/i10.GIF

Your comments indicate to me that you STILL have not clicked this link:
http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalereastman/861/source/source.html

--
"You take the BLUE PILL, you wake up in your own bed,
and you BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO.
You take the RED PILL, you stay in WONDERLAND,
and I'll show you HOW DEEP THE RABBIT HOLE GOES." - Morpheus

red pill:
http://www.861.info/ <--- "They" don't want you to look here.

Richard Macdonald · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 1581

"Dale Eastman" wrote in message$Vl5.3679@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> [meaningless distraction snipped]
> > So is it not a clear violation of 26 CFR 1.861-1(a)(1) to assume
> > that 26 CFR 1.861-8 is used to determine what is or is not Gross
> > Income? Yes or No.?
>
> What assumption. 1.861-8 is written in english. And I've added
> pictures to help you with the comprehension.

So tell me where 26 CFR 1.861-8 is in this list:
26 CFR 1.861-1(a)(1) WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. The gross
income from sources within the United States, consisting of the items
of gross income specified in section 861(a) plus the items of gross
income allocated or apportioned to such sources in accordance with
section 863(a). See Sections 1.861-2 to 1.861-7, inclusive, and
Section 1.863-1.
--
Richard A Macdonald, CPA/EA
Dedicated student of Fr Luca Paccioli, Master Juggler.
Gib mir schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!!

Dale Eastman · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 4469

Richard Macdonald wrote:

> "Dale Eastman" wrote in message
> $Vl5.3679@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>>[meaningless distraction snipped]
>>
>>>So is it not a clear violation of 26 CFR 1.861-1(a)(1) to assume
>>>that 26 CFR 1.861-8 is used to determine what is or is not Gross
>>>Income? Yes or No.?
>>
>>What assumption. 1.861-8 is written in english. And I've added
>>pictures to help you with the comprehension.
>
>
> So tell me where 26 CFR 1.861-8 is in this list:

Go read what you snipped.

> 26 CFR 1.861-1(a)(1) WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. The gross
> income from sources within the United States, consisting of the items
> of gross income specified in section 861(a) plus the items of gross
> income allocated or apportioned to such sources in accordance with
> section 863(a). See Sections 1.861-2 to 1.861-7, inclusive, and
> Section 1.863-1.
> --
> Richard A Macdonald, CPA/EA
> Dedicated student of Fr Luca Paccioli, Master Juggler.
> Gib mir schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!!
>
>

--
"You take the BLUE PILL, you wake up in your own bed,
and you BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO.
You take the RED PILL, you stay in WONDERLAND,
and I'll show you HOW DEEP THE RABBIT HOLE GOES." - Morpheus

red pill:
http://www.861.info/ <--- "They" don't want you to look here.

Richard Macdonald · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 1581

"Dale Eastman" wrote in message$Vl5.1515@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> Richard Macdonald wrote:
>
> > "Dale Eastman" wrote in message
> > $Vl5.3679@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >>[meaningless distraction snipped]
> >>>So is it not a clear violation of 26 CFR 1.861-1(a)(1) to assume
> >>>that 26 CFR 1.861-8 is used to determine what is or is not Gross
> >>>Income? Yes or No.?
> >>
> >>What assumption. 1.861-8 is written in english. And I've added
> >>pictures to help you with the comprehension.
> >
> >
> > So tell me where 26 CFR 1.861-8 is in this list:
>
> Go read what you snipped.

No need to bother with worthless diversions from answering this one
little question. So enlighten us as to where 26 CFR 1.861-8 is on this list:

26 CFR 1.861-1(a)(1) WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. The gross
income from sources within the United States, consisting of the items
of gross income specified in section 861(a) plus the items of gross
income allocated or apportioned to such sources in accordance with
section 863(a). See Sections 1.861-2 to 1.861-7, inclusive, and
Section 1.863-1.
--
Richard A Macdonald, CPA/EA
Dedicated student of Fr Luca Paccioli, Master Juggler.
Gib mir schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!!

Richard Macdonald · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 1581

"Dale Eastman" wrote in message$Vl5.2156@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> Richard Macdonald wrote:
>
> > "Dale Eastman" wrote in message
> > $Vl5.3011@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
> >>Richard Macdonald wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Especially since the Treasury's Official Interpretation of the
> >>>statutes clearly states that 26 CFR 1.861-8 & 8T are not
> >>>on the list of those regulations used for the determination
> >>>of Gross Income that falls under 861-865.
> >>
> >>http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalereastman/861/source/source.html
> >>
> >>Learn to read.
> >
> > I have read, your drivel is in error for using the wrong regulations.
> > You omitted and totally ignored the parts of 26 CFR 1.861-1 that
> > says that 26 CFR 1.861-8 is NOT used for the determination
> > of Gross Income from sources within or without the U.S.
>
> Learn to read.

I have read, you are in error, try learningf to read yourself and
explain why you persist in applying elements of 26 CFR 1.861-8
to the determination of Gross Income from withinthe U.S. when
26 CFR 1.861-1(a)(1) SPECIFICALLY states:

(1) WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. The gross income from
sources within the United States, consisting of the items of gross
income specified in section 861(a) plus the items of gross income
allocated or apportioned to such sources in accordance with
section 863(a). See Sections 1.861-2 to 1.861-7, inclusive,
and Section 1.863-1.

26 CFR 1.861-8 IS NOT USED for the determination of Gross
Income, only the amount of taxable income after the proper allocation
and apportionment of deductions as IT says in 1.861-8(a):

"This section provides specific guidance for applying the cited
Code sections by prescribing rules for the allocation and
apportionment of expenses, losses, and other deductions
(referred to collectively in this section as "deductions") of the
taxpayer."

Of course you have to ignore anything that destroys your assertions.
--
Richard A Macdonald, CPA/EA
Dedicated student of Fr Luca Paccioli, Master Juggler.
Gib mir schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!!

OnryAnRkst · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 1629

>Richard Macdonald offered his twisted interpretation of the regulations,

>I have read, you are in error, try learningf to read yourself and
>explain why you persist in applying elements of 26 CFR 1.861-8
>to the determination of Gross Income from withinthe U.S. when
>26 CFR 1.861-1(a)(1) SPECIFICALLY states:

>(1) WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. The gross income from
>sources within the United States, consisting of the items of gross
>income specified in section 861(a) plus the items of gross income
>allocated or apportioned to such sources in accordance with
>section 863(a). See Sections 1.861-2 to 1.861-7, inclusive,
>and Section 1.863-1.
>26 CFR 1.861-8 IS NOT USED for the determination of Gross
>Income, only the amount of taxable income after the proper allocation
>and apportionment of deductions as IT says in 1.861-8(a):

"Sections 861(b) and 863(a) state in general terms how to
determine

T A X A B L E I N C O M E

of a taxpayer from sources within the United States

A F T E R

gross income from sources within the United States has been
determined." [26 CFR § 1.861-8]

How do you determine gross income from sources - what do you
do FIRST?

"the term 'statutory grouping' MEANS the GROSS INCOME
from a

S P E C I F I C S O U R C E

or

A C T I V I T Y

which must FIRST BE DETERMINED in
order to arrive at 'taxable income' from which
specific source or activity."
[26 CFR § 1.861-8(a)(4)]

Where in the regulation do you find a list of specific sources or
activities, Richard? [Hint: 26 CFR § 1.861-8(f)(1) - why do I say
that? Because the regulation says it: "[T]he term 'statutory
grouping' means the gross income from a specific source or
activity which must first be determined in order to arrive at 'taxable
income' from which specific source or activity under an operative
section. (See paragraph (f)(1) of this section.)"
[26 CFR § 1.861-8(a)(4)]

It says "See ______________ of this section" (fill in the blank) to determine
GROSS INCOME from the specific sources and activities under an
operative section.

--OnryAnRkst

http://NoGov4me.net

OnryAnRkst · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 1629

>Richard Macdonald wrote,

>Dale, thank you for reminding me of the wording of the Official Treasury
>interpretation of the statutes.

Richard, didn't you say the tax code is clear in the meaning and
intent of congress? I'm just curious why you spend so much time
debating the minutiae therein instead of just telling people to read
it for themselves. After all, if it's so simple and easy to understand,
don't you think most people are capable of figuring it out like you did?

--OnryAnRkst

http://NoGov4me.net

Richard Macdonald · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 1581

"OnryAnRkst" wrote in message@mb-m15.aol.com...
> >Richard Macdonald wrote,
>
> >Dale, thank you for reminding me of the wording of the Official Treasury
> >interpretation of the statutes.
>
> Richard, didn't you say the tax code is clear in the meaning and
> intent of congress?

Sure, I am also pointing out Dale's clear misapplication of the
regulations in an attempt to twist the meaning of the IRC.

> I'm just curious why you spend so much time
> debating the minutiae therein instead of just telling people to read
> it for themselves. After all, if it's so simple and easy to understand,
> don't you think most people are capable of figuring it out like you did?

So here is a simple question for your simple mind. Since the Treasury
in their regulation 1.861-1 say specifically Gross Income from sources
within the United States are found in regulations 1.861-2 through 7.
Is it reasonable to say that regulation 1.861-8 has nothing to do with
Treasury's opinion of what constitutes Gross Income from sources
within the United States and can only do what the regulation says:

". . .This section provides specific guidance for applying the cited Code
sections by prescribing rules for the allocation and apportionment of
expenses, losses, and other deductions (referred to collectively in this
section as "deductions") of the taxpayer. [1.861-8(a)(1)Scope]

To whit, 1.861-8 has no bearing on what is or is not Gross Income and
only pertains to the allocation and apportionment of deductions for the
computation of Taxable Income from Gross Income and certain tax credits.
--
Richard A Macdonald, CPA/EA
Dedicated student of Fr Luca Paccioli, Master Juggler.
Gib mir schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!!

OnryAnRkst · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 1629

>Richard Macdonald wrote,

>Sure, I am also pointing out Dale's clear misapplication of the
>regulations in an attempt to twist the meaning of the IRC.

I think your interpretation is wrong, and influenced by money.

--OnryAnRkst

http://NoGov4me.net

Richard Macdonald · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 1581

"OnryAnRkst" wrote in message@mb-m25.aol.com...
> >Richard Macdonald wrote,
>
> >Sure, I am also pointing out Dale's clear misapplication of the
> >regulations in an attempt to twist the meaning of the IRC.
>
> I think your interpretation is wrong, and influenced by money.

I think you are losing the argument and are trying to divert the issue.

26 CFR 1.861-1 states clearly which Treasury Regulations
pertain to the determination of Gross Income from sources
within the Unites States. Is 26 CFR 1.861-8 & 8T on that list?
Yes or No.
--
Richard A Macdonald, CPA/EA
Dedicated student of Fr Luca Paccioli, Master Juggler.
Gib mir schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!!

OnryAnRkst · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 1629

>Richard Macdonald wrote,

>> I think your interpretation is wrong, and influenced by money.
>
>I think you are losing the argument and are trying to divert the issue.

There's no "losing" an argument. I tell people to read the
regulations for themselves. You tell them it's very clear, and
also you offer your own quirky theories such as the "residual
groupings" exegesis (presumably to make it clearer). You stand
to gain from people agreeing with you. It's that simple.

--OnryAnRkst

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esenter · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 134

"OnryAnRkst" wrote in message@mb-m25.aol.com...
> >Richard Macdonald wrote,
>
> >Sure, I am also pointing out Dale's clear misapplication of the
> >regulations in an attempt to twist the meaning of the IRC.
>
> I think your interpretation is wrong, and influenced by money.
>

Wackos always confuse any discussion about what the law IS with what they
think the law SHOULD BE. Therfore, anyone who disagrees with them is
"corrupt" or "influenced by money".

malloy, your ability to reason and use logic is being tested here-not
anyone's morality. And malloy, you fail miserably...

Archmedes · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 309

"esenter" wrote in message@comcast.com
> "OnryAnRkst" wrote in message
> @mb-m25.aol.com...
>>> Richard Macdonald wrote,
>>
>>> Sure, I am also pointing out Dale's clear misapplication of the
>>> regulations in an attempt to twist the meaning of the IRC.
>>
>> I think your interpretation is wrong, and influenced by money.
>>
>
> Wackos always confuse any discussion about what the law IS with what
> they think the law SHOULD BE. Therfore, anyone who disagrees with
> them is "corrupt" or "influenced by money".

The reality is, it's the wackos who are in it for the money:

"Some people believe with great fervor preposterous things that just happen to
coincide with their self-interest." Judge Frank Easterbrook, Coleman v. CIR (7th
Cir 1986) 791 F2d 68 at 69

esenter · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 134

"OnryAnRkst" wrote in message@mb-m15.aol.com...
> >Richard Macdonald wrote,
>
> >Dale, thank you for reminding me of the wording of the Official Treasury
> >interpretation of the statutes.
>
> Richard, didn't you say the tax code is clear in the meaning and
> intent of congress? I'm just curious why you spend so much time
> debating the minutiae therein instead of just telling people to read
> it for themselves. After all, if it's so simple and easy to understand,
> don't you think most people are capable of figuring it out like you did?
>

Yeah, any honest researcher can figure it out using reason and logic.

But if you want to "figure it out" like malloy and his cohorts, you have to
take sentences out of context, change definitions and equivocate, and even
rewrite the regulations themselves. IOW, break every rule of reason and
logic to get the answer they want.

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